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Episode 25

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3rd Mar 2026

How Gamification and Community Help Beginners Break Into Cloud and AI Security

In this episode of the Security by Default podcast, host Joe Carson speaks with Ian Austin, co-founder of Pwned Labs, about his journey in cybersecurity, the evolution of learning in the field, and the challenges of Cloud and AI security. Ian shares insights on transitioning into cybersecurity roles, the importance of community engagement, and the need for continuous learning in an ever-evolving industry. They discuss the significance of gamification in training and the current trends in cloud security, emphasizing the importance of hands-on experience and collaboration.

Key Takeaways

  1. Ian Austin is a co-founder of Pwned Labs, specializing in cloud and AI security training.
  2. His journey in cybersecurity began with help desk roles and evolved into penetration testing.
  3. Creating content is a great way to learn and contribute to the community.
  4. Cloud security presents unique challenges that require ongoing education and adaptation.
  5. Gamification in training enhances engagement but should not overshadow practical learning.
  6. Community involvement is crucial for personal and professional growth in cybersecurity.
  7. Transitioning into security roles can be done from various backgrounds, including sysadmin and help desk.
  8. Continuous learning is essential in the fast-paced cybersecurity landscape.
  9. Mentorship can significantly impact career development and confidence.
  10. Cloud security is a growing field with increasing demand for skilled professionals.


sound bites

"Learning is a great way to learn."

"Community is a powerful thing."

"Cloud is hard to secure."


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

00:40 Ian Austin's Journey in Cybersecurity

06:40 Transitioning into Security Roles

10:54 Evolution of Learning in Cybersecurity

16:19 The Importance of Community in Learning

22:58 Challenges in Cloud Security

28:46 Staying Updated in the Cybersecurity Field


Resources:

https://pwnedlabs.io/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ian-austin/

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Security by Default
Security by Default is a cybersecurity podcast hosted by Joseph Carson, a renowned ethical hacker and security expert. Each episode dives into the latest security trends.
Security by Default is a cybersecurity podcast hosted by Joseph Carson, a renowned ethical hacker and security expert. Each episode dives into the latest security trends, real-world threats, and practical advice for staying safe in the digital world. With insightful interviews and clear explanations, Joseph makes complex topics accessible for both IT professionals and curious listeners alike.

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Joseph Carson

I am a distinguished cybersecurity professional with over 30 years of experience in enterprise security and infrastructure.

Throughout my career, I have been an active contributor to the cybersecurity community, serving as an educator, ethical hacker, and speaker at global conferences. I hold both the Certified Information Systems Security Professional (CISSP) and Offensive Security Certified Professional (OSCP) certifications as well as advise various governments, critical infrastructure organizations, and industries such as finance and transportation on cybersecurity matters.
I am the author of "Cybersecurity for Dummies," a book that has gained global recognition for helping companies integrate people, processes, and technology to strengthen their defense against cyberattacks. The book has over 50,000 readers worldwide and provides a straightforward approach to understanding cybersecurity.

In addition to my writing, I have authored numerous articles and research papers, contributing to publications such as The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Dark Reading, and CSO Magazine. I also host the bi-weekly podcast "Security by Default" which offers insights from leading cybersecurity experts and discusses best practices for navigating security challenges.
I am dedicated to educating the next generation of cybersecurity leaders and his commitment to building a safer internet have made him a respected figure in the cybersecurity community.